Episode 04: Who’s to say?

Even when astronomers and Native Hawaiians sit down to build bridges, miscommunication abounds. Why are scientists so reluctant to talk about their own spirituality, and what will it take for the people opposing the Thirty Meter Telescope to feel they are truly being heard?

Plus, Offshore discovers a decades-old secret that might help us understand the huge divisions between the astronomy community and the Native Hawaiians who want to block telescope development.